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2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby Chitalak on Sun May 06, 2012 3:55 pm

Any update? As per text, today, May 06(Sun.) to start round 1, then tomorrow will have no games to
giveway for our President Nonoy for the Palaro Opening.

Any news regarding the format of the tournament?
Baka kasi swiss system format(9 rounds) gamitin nila same as they did in PRISAA held in cebu recently.
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby Chitalak on Sun May 06, 2012 7:02 pm

2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA 2012 CHESS event Game Schedules
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby laminin on Mon May 07, 2012 8:39 am

Text ng isang Coach ay 7 rounds daw, malamang Swiss. Sayang, wala pa sa chess-results.com

Both yung rappler.com saka wordpress sites wala pa round 1 results na ginanap kahapon. I think round 2 resumes tomorrow.

Ang suggest ko dun mga chess players eh wag na join parada, since di sila ganun sa physical conditioning. Sa tv news nga, for yesterday's
events eh may dinala na atleta dahil sa init, sa field sports malamang. Thats inspite of no games sked pag sa peak ng kainitan ng araw...
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby supersonic on Mon May 07, 2012 10:59 am

During Round 4 of the Chess Tournament - Palarong Pambansa 2012

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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby supersonic on Mon May 07, 2012 12:26 pm

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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby supersonic on Mon May 07, 2012 12:53 pm

CHESS TECHNICAL OFFICIALS

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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby laminin on Mon May 07, 2012 5:41 pm

Nasa chess-results.com na for the details
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DepEd needs to be Educated!

Postby MeAko on Mon May 07, 2012 6:44 pm

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It is ironic that the DepEd is in charge of the education of this country and yet seems to need a lot of education with regards to deferring to others more knowledgeable in their field.

May I ask what those "officials" are doing sitting/standing per row? Can you tell me where in the history of chess throughout the world do you have a tournament where there are "judges" monitoring the games of the boards per row like that?

Are those officials trained in FIDE laws and have the capacity to execute decisions that Fide rated Arbiters with norms would do? You have two International Arbiters in the room, why in the world would you need row upon row of grown adults sitting for hours in a plastic chair dressed sharply not knowing exactly what he is there to do?

Umaapaw ba ang budget ng DepEd? Galing ah, naghihirap ang ibang departments, pero ang DepEd, kumukuha ng isang batalyon na mga magigiting na mga opisyales na tila bang hindi naman kailangan.

Athough one good thing that I noticed though is that the venue and equipment is EXCELLENT. Clocks are all uniform digital, sets looks new, the venue is spacious and most importantly air conditioned. At least our players are comfortable, that's a great thing.
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby prinzzzzz on Tue May 08, 2012 9:42 pm

..ang deped technical officials ay knowledgeable na po about fide rules. dahil sila po ay dumaan at natrain na sa arbiting accreditation..

..kaya't kung makikita mo at mapapanood ng actual ang palaro.. masasabi mong daig pa ang international game dahil sa organisado, maayos at magandang pagpapatakbo nito.

..hindi tulad ng iba dyan na magulo ang pamamalakad.
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby Chessboy on Tue May 08, 2012 11:22 pm

Kung trained na sila sana mula pa sa susunod na district at city meets ay "knowledgeable" na ang mga magpatakbo. As of this year sa mga city meets mga teachers lang na walang training ang nagpapatakbo kaya nagkakagulo sa implementation ng rules dahil sila mismo di nila alam. Teachers sila hindi arbiters. Di ng yata competent chess players ang karamihan sa kanila. Ang ginagawa nilang lusot agmay sriling rue sila na iniimplement ay "house rules" daw kahit parang nagiimbento na sila ng bagong rules ng chess. Sana kung walang trained teachers sa chess arbitraton sa isang city maghire na lang bg certified arbiters. Aminin na na hinndi nila kaya para di magsuffer mga payers lalo na yung mga bata. May nabalitaan aong news na nangyari sa Mandaluyong kung saan di alam ng mga teachers ang chess rules kay nagkagulogulo.
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby Mr_Gambit on Wed May 09, 2012 1:13 am

prinzzzzz wrote:..ang deped technical officials ay knowledgeable na po about fide rules. dahil sila po ay dumaan at natrain na sa arbiting accreditation..

..kaya't kung makikita mo at mapapanood ng actual ang palaro.. masasabi mong daig pa ang international game dahil sa organisado, maayos at magandang pagpapatakbo nito.

..hindi tulad ng iba dyan na magulo ang pamamalakad.


Hindi lahat ng teachers sa DepEd ay knowledgeable sa mga FIDE Rules. Marami pa rin ay sinusunod ang kanilang sariling house rules. Kaya ang mga bata nalilito kapag sumali sa ibang tournament. May pangyayari sa Laguna kamakailan lang na tama naman ang desisyon ng isang teacher-arbiter pero na-over rule ng mga teacher/official na hindi naman alam tamang ruling sa FIDE. Sang-ayon ako kay MeAko, maganda lang tingnan na may nakabantay habang naglalaro at mukhang may ginastusan nga ang mga itsura pero sana matuto na sila sa mga tamang rules.
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby laminin on Wed May 09, 2012 1:48 am

Habang nasa regional training eh nadinig ko na sa DepEd teacher na nasabi ng Deped official na kinakausap ang NCFP for future Palaro stagings, pati lower levels... and sa recent visit sa Natl Age Group finals eh NCFP official also related this that coordination is on-going with DepEd officials on possible synchronization of events/calendar.

Well, not sure kung good or bad. Pero siguro more on good eto dun sa main point sa disckusyon on competency eh tingin ko NCFP staff have that. Now regarding sa problems ng NCFP on 'attendance, venue and budget' eh these are solved with DepEd's infrastructure. Let us see how this turns out in the next 'Palaro season'...

For this Palaro season, eh direct involvement of NCFP (like IA's Gene and Ilann) eh sa Palaro national level....
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby prinzzzzz on Wed May 09, 2012 8:12 am

..true na hindi masyado knowlegeable ang nasa deped teacher-officials sa lower meets ng palaro gaya ng municipal meet/division meet.. pero dito sa palarong pambansa lahat sila napili at class A ng arbiting national accreditation ng chess..

..bakit madami ang official? kasi standard ang system ng palaro.. walang increment. paano kung lahat ay panic time, sino ang magmomonitor. yun sinasabi mong 2 IA.

..ibang magpalaro ang deped sa palarong pambansa.. maayos at organisado. hindi tulad ng iba dyan. baka gayahin pa nga nila yun system na ginagawa ng deped.
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby jonbp on Wed May 09, 2012 10:41 am

nice palaro :) :) :)

goodluck to the players and organizer.
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby tigran18 on Wed May 09, 2012 1:54 pm

i agree with prinzzzzz..even though wala ako mismo sa venue kita naman sa mga pictures ang evidence..tsaka bakit ba puro puna na lang tayo ng mali di naman tayo nag-susuggest. why not look on the positive side nman..at lease may ginawa silang way nasa tingin nila magiging toll para mapaayos or kahit papaano eh maging organize yung laro diba di tulad ng iba na gusto lang kumita...lets all help philippine chess mga ka-james :D
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby ob1xxxx on Wed May 09, 2012 3:05 pm

May punto si prinzzz, sa dami ng players hindi kaya ng 2 IA lang ang bantay. Wag naman po natin maliitin ang mga DepEd officials, I'm sure may alam din sila sa FIDE Laws
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Experience, Worldwide Best Practice etc

Postby MeAko on Wed May 09, 2012 3:53 pm

@prinzzzzz
Experience vs. Knowledge If I buy 10 books and take a year to study how to do an Apendectomy. I will also ask a surgeon to teach me how to do it, he will give me "seminars". Will you then allow me to operate on you and take out your appendix? There is a critical world of difference between KNOWING something and having the depth of experience, not to mention mind power to do it. These arbiters with norms have spent YEARS studying and being exposed to officiating in chess, don't insult their life's work by arguing that these teachers can be sent to some seminars and "study" FIDE rules and suddenly can become arbiters. These arbiters can take 3 secs and look at a board and know immediately if the lay out is a draw or not, whereas people like you and me we can stare at the same board for 30 mins and still not know whether it will be a "book draw" or not.


Worldwide Best Practice vs. DepEd Practice

Let me give you 3 photos:
This is the New York State Championship, this is the 131st ANNUAL tournament, they have been doing this even before you and I were born. Do you see rows of Arbiters?
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The second photo is a tournament organized by FIDE in Romania, the World School Individual Chess Championship. Notice how the kid in the upper left has his hand raised calling for an arbiter? Lousy siguro tong tournament no? Kasi konti lang arbiter eh, kailangan pang mag raise ng hand at mag hintay, dapat yata may arbiter na katabi lahat noh?
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The last 2 photos are from the World Chess Championship held in Greece. In those two pictures, tell me how many arbiters you see.
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I did praise the DepEd for the excellent venue and equipment, eh yung grand finals nga sa Batangas was held in an outdoor place where kids had nose bleeds from the heat, at least dito, it looks nice and cold.

It is NOT my position that 2 IA's will be able to arbitrate all those kids, normally they have a chief arbiter, a number of arbiters and then some stewards, but all of them have had extensive exposure and experience, that's my main point, why force teachers to do something they do not have extensive experience in?

Pag magpapatayo ng building ang DepEd, mag se seminar ba ang mga teachers at sila ang mag ca carpintero? Bakit hindi? Kasi mahirap mag carpintero right? So, ano, madali maging chess arbiter, is that the argument?
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby prinzzzzz on Wed May 09, 2012 9:50 pm

@Meako..

..sa akin po tama kayo sa inyong lahat ng sinabi.

..pero kailangan ang DepEd Teacher para maging official/arbiter sa pagpapalaro lalo na kung palarong pampaaralan.

..sino pa ba ang gaganap kundi ang mga gurong bayani kahit di nila alam ay kailangan nilang sumunod upang maisagawa lamang ng maayos ang palarong ito.

..kaya gumagawa ng paraan ang deped upang mga gurong ito ay magkaroon ng kaalaman.. ang pagpapaseminar o accreditation sa lahat ng event.

..kaya't sa ganoong paraan nakakaraos naman ng maayos at walang problema ang mga palarong pampaaralan gaya ng "palarong pambansa".

..hindi man magaya ang lahat ng sinabi ni Meako na ginagawa ng ibang bansa.. matagumpay naman itong naisasagawa.

..kaya't para sa akin IKINARARANGAL KO ANG LAHAT NG DEPED TEACHER/OFFICIAL bilang pagpapakita ng galing sa pamamalakad ng Palarong Pambansa.

..MABUHAY PO KAYO.. Kayo ang BAYANI ng PALARONG PAMBANSA


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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby ulynazario on Thu May 10, 2012 12:02 am

I think na tama lang ang pagkakadeploy ng DepEd Teachers as official/arbiters. After all, they have had their arbiting accreditation and they are under the supervision of well experienced arbiters. Dapat lang mabigyan sila ng pagkakataon na makaipon din ng kanilang experience.

Kahit naman ung mga magagaling na surgeons ay nagsimula lang ding makakuha ng experience under the supervision ng well experienced surgeons. Kahit naman ung magagaling ng carpintero ay nagsimula lang din magwork under the supervision of well experienced carpinters.

Maganda na itong ginagawa nato ng DepEd. Lahat naman nagsimula sa Grade One.
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby Mr_Gambit on Thu May 10, 2012 1:33 am

Ang sa akin ay ang paglalagay ng mga qualified teacher/arbiter sa palarong pambansa. Sa totoo lang po ay may mga teacher dyan na hindi naman talaga na-train mabuti sa arbitration seminar na kinu-conduct ng NCFP. Naging saksi na rin ako sa pangyayari sa isang tournament na kung saan nakikipagtalo ang isang teacher/coach at arbiter pa raw siya ng DepEd sa isang legitmate na arbiter dahil sa isang ruling na yun daw ang pinatutupad nila sa DepEd. Nakakalungkot isipin na bakit iba-iba ang ruling sa DepEd at depende sa Region yan. Ang hiling ko na lang ay sana magkaroon ng isang seminar para sa lahat ng mga teacher na nag-aapire na maging arbiter para maiwasan na ang iba-ibang ruling at para na ring sa ika-uunlad ng chess dito sa ating bansa.
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby chessmess54 on Thu May 10, 2012 8:04 am

Tama si Mr_Gambit na sana lahat ng teacher sa buong Pilipinas na nagaaspire na maging arbiter ay mabigyan ng arbitration seminar at isama m na rin ung sinabi ni ulynazario na mabigyan sila ng pagkakataon to work under the supervision of experienced arbiters.
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby laminin on Thu May 10, 2012 8:42 am

Just some points :

- I think some of the earlier concerns eh madaming gray areas dun sa recent NCR Meet, considering dapat budgetted yan and in today's electronic age eh
the DepEd regional and TM needs to raise the standard na. Surprising na mas maayos pa ang pagdaos ng ibang Regional meet sa province.

- Also on the matter of assigning Coaches eh need some competency, but pagkaintindi ko pati NCFP eh walang seminar for chess coaches. Ang FIDE merong
FIDE Instructors (FI) course.

DepEd Usec reportedly looking into the matter since dapat mas focussed sa core responsibility ng teacher na magturo, di yung practice of sometimes jockeying
for a slot to be at the provincial, regional or Palaro level in some sort of capacity (Coach,Official,Chaperone etc...) I understand may points system yan for
earned leaves, one of factors for promotion, aside from the allowances

- After the Palaro, what's next in the case of chess champions. Maigi rin magkaroon ng synergy with NCFP. It will take years and a lot of visionary leadership for
NCFP to come up with a true grassroots program pero with the DepEd scheme eh yan ay galing sa District levels all over the country. Maybe the Elem champs/
top performers can be U12 representatives or part of the pool, and ganun din for HS, sa U14 and U16 age groupers sila. Siguro majority eh same players na
well supported ng parents o schools, pero may ilan ding galing sa public school circles who qualified from the ranks...

- Sana magkaroon na ng budget ang 'chess-in-curriculum' starting sa Grade 3. Sa pagtatanong yung previous 'Memo' nung time ni Sec. Lapus ay official,
waiting na lang funding. Medyo matagal ang proseso, malamang mauuna muna budget for chalk. I wonder if savings from current Palaro budgets
can be re-allocated for such purposes? Madami ring wastage as personally observed, and as a taxpayer I'm concerned when I see them (excess food, seems too
many officials etc...)
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby chessmess54 on Thu May 10, 2012 1:45 pm

Ang hindi dapat makalampas ng wala man lamang sanction ay ung ginawa ng NCFP sa Grand Finals ng National Age Group and Juniors sa Batangas na sinabi nga ni MeAko na "it was held in an outdoor place where kids (take note "kids") had nose bleeds from the heat".

Also, nagreklamo din daw ang mga parents and coaches about the venue pero binale wala lang ng Tournament Director. Imagine, age group to at may mga under 8 years old dito, e bka madiscourage pa ang mga batang players pag ganito ang kanilang mararanasan at National Grand Finals to na pinipili kung sino ang magrerepresent sa bansa. Sinabihan pa daw ang mga parents na next time sasabihin sa inyo kung saan ang venue at kung ayaw nyong sumali wag kayong sumali..........

Sana makarating ito sa higher authorities ng malunasan ang NAPAKALAKING SULIRANIN na ito.

SENATOR CHIZ ESCUDERO humihingi po kami ng tulong sa inyo, maaari po b nyong paimbestigahan ang pangyayaring ito para malaman natin kung ito b ay isang tsismis lang o isang chess mess. Alam po namin na kayo ay may malaking malasakit sa chess.

Ganun din po k SENATOR KOKO PIMENTEL, alam din po namin na may malaking malasakit din kayo sa chess. Humihingin po kami ng tulong sa inyo upang ang nabangit na suliranin ay malunasan.

Nasa inyo po ang aming suporta.
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby buhawi on Thu May 10, 2012 5:02 pm

Tanong lang po kung sinong nakakaalam. Ang 2012 Palarong Pampansa Chess Event ba ay kailangan pang esanctioned ng NCFP. Nagbayad ba ng NCFP membership fee na P300 ang mga players?


Memo ng NCFP

“We are one family”

There is only one chess federation recognized by the Federation Internationale des Echecs (FIDE), Philippine Olympic Committee (POC) and Philippine Sports Commission (PSC) here in the country and that is the National Chess Federation of the Philippines (NCFP).

In line with this, we encourage all chess enthusiasts to become member and support the programs of the local chess governing body.

Beginning 2012, all local and international chess tournaments in the country should be sanctioned by the NCFP.

This can only be done with the support of local chess communities.

The federation always encourages interaction between and among all chess stakeholders to form one cohesive unit that is congruent with the FIDE motto:”We are one family.”

There are 64 squares, 32 pieces, and billions of possibilities in the game and they all happen over ONE chessboard.

In this connection, organizing and playing in a tournament not sanctioned by the federation will be considered a violation that has a corresponding penalty.

All NCFP members, especially the national and titled players, are prohibited to join all tournaments in the country not sanctioned by the federation and to compete in International events or tournaments without prior clearance, approval and coordination.

The federation reserves the right to penalize the erring players.

A warning will be issued on the first offense, but a repeat of similar violation may ultimately lead into a ban or prohibition from joining all tournaments sanctioned by the federation.

National players will lose their slot on the Philippine team right away if found guilty of committing the aforementioned offense and lose the right to officially represent the country in all international tournaments.

With the federation overseeing all tournaments here in the Philippines, the players will no longer worry about non-guaranteed prizes, biased officiating, and unfair or uneven playing field.

The federation will have a reliable and updated local rating to ensure that the players, especially in non-master tournaments, are playing on an even field.

Aside from determining the strength of the competition, the local rating aims to give the players a motivation to perform well and set higher goals.
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby ulynazario on Thu May 10, 2012 10:41 pm

Napakabigat naman ng memo na un ng NCFP.

"Beginning 2012, all local and international chess tournaments in the country should be sanctioned by the NCFP." Ibig sabihinLAHAT.

"National players will lose their slot on the Philippine team right away if found guilty of committing the aforementioned offense and lose the right to officially represent the country in all international tournaments." Right away, ibig sabihin KAAGAD AGAD.

Napakabigat naman nito. Ano kaya ang pd nating gawin dito?
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby chessmess54 on Fri May 11, 2012 10:37 am

Ang hirap naman ng tanong ni buhawi, walang makasagot.

Dun naman sa tanong ni ulynazario, dalawa ang pwede nating gawin:
1) pwede tayong manahimik, at sundin lahat ng pinaguutos nila; at
2) pwede tayong magingay, at magaklas laban sa mga patakaran na pinalalakad nila.

Ngaun ang tanong ay ano ang gusto mong gawin at ano ang kaya mong gawin???

Kaya m bng manahimik nalang at sundin lahat ng pinaguutos nila o kaya m namang magingay at magaklas laban sa patakaran na pinalalakad nila???

Kaya m bng magisa o kailangan tayong magsama sama???
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby Batak-Utak-Batuta on Sat May 12, 2012 9:59 am

CONGRATS.........PALARONG PAMBANSA 2012

JULIUS GONZALES B-1 CHAMPION ( ELEM. BOYS )
STEPHEN, PANGILINAN B-2 SECOND ( BOTH HAVE 6.5 PTS. WITH MARCE, JASPER - CHAMPION )
AND TO NCR TEAM BOYS ( ELEM. ) CHAMPION

AND SA LAHAT NG NAGLARO, CONGRATS DIN...

SEC. BOYS NCR - CHAMPION
DOCENA, JERAD B-1 CHAMPION
MCDOMINIQUE, LAGULA B-2 CHAMPION
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby chessdlrdrews on Sat May 12, 2012 11:47 am

Ang mga henyo ng chess, bow!
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby chessdlrdrews on Sat May 12, 2012 11:51 am

Tanggapin natin lahat, tayo ay nasa isang malaking basurahan na puno ng basurero, mula sa presidente hanggang sa kriminal.Kawawa na ang bayang Pilipinas!
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Re: 2012 PALARONG PAMBANSA, Lingayen, Pangasinan

Postby laminin on Sun May 13, 2012 11:25 pm

Surprised lang ako na-share na wala medals binigay for the top board finishers sa PALARO. Well, compared sa Regional ay merong binigay na medals
for Boards 1 and 2 top placers.

Am note sure kung ganun din sa Palaro last year in Zambales and previous Palaros?

Congratulations to ALL the players, just reaching the Palaro is an achievement in itself, how much more kung maka top finisher pa...
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